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PostSubject: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:35 pm

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Patrons-on-Greenville-Avenue-Concerned-about--Rash-of-Robberies-162441806.html

I think the doubleness of darkness and lots of people are why the crime rate is so high in this area.
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:28 pm

This is actually a really good topic and brings up interesting discussions in Criminology.

Believe it or not, as ironic as it was, from what I remember of my Criminology course I took a few years back, in places with plenty of street lights and sidewalks are more likely to have criminal activity.

I'm a Broken Windows Theorist as well as an Integration Theorist. While I believe the more of something there is, the more there will be - and the less of something there is, the less there will be - I also like to take multiple theories and see how they contribute to each other - and even ways they contradict each other.

Areas that are well taken care send a message that it's a society that puts a lot of effort in to taking care of itself. So it feels more out of place for people to want to commit crimes there.

There is a popular belief that most crimes will take place in dark alleyways at night. But, if people think they're in more danger in darker lit areas, they're less likely to go there, therefore leaving less possibilities for victims for criminals to go after.

I remember reading that statistically speaking, areas with sidewalks and street lights mean that people are more likely to feel less hesitant to walk around at any hour of the day, even by themself. Individuals are more likely to be victims of crime than people who travel in groups.

I could be wrong about the presence of more street lights and sidewalks suggesting higher crime rates, but I do honestly remember learning about that in Criminology, so pardon me if I'm wrong about that and feel free to correct me if anyone has any statistics on this. I'm going to do a little bit more research on this, because things like this are the types of Criminology that can be most useful for the Patrolling Crimefighters in this Community.

Also one thing my Professor had warned me about Criminology is to never assume that just because we know someone who it happened to in a situation like this, or doesn't happen to in situations like that - that it accurately represents Criminology, because Criminology has a lot more to do with scientific data and statistics and various other subjects combined in to one.

This article does suggest a pattern in that area. But, the question is whether that same pattern suggests a similar trend repeating itself in other areas or not. And if there are any other relevant factors to suggest one way or another, be it everywhere or just for those locations.
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:59 pm

It's a well known fact that criminals of any and every type don't want what they do to be seen which is of course why they operate under the cover of darkness. The Broken Windows experiment that was done decades ago proved beyond any doubt that those revitalized areas which included powerful street lighting was a significant deterrence in criminal activity. Light reveals everything that's out in the open, this is why criminals prefer the dark...

Criminal will eventually learn that something else also prefers the dark as well. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:20 pm

DarkShadow,

LOL I like that quote at the end.

And as for the other thing, while the areas that are better taken care of do tend to lead to less crime, the question are what types of crime is it helping and which types is it not helping?

For example, I'm guessing that the darkness would help increase property crimes, such as theft. They don't want to be seen and don't want to get caught. But, more violent crimes could actually be helped by the lighter areas. Lighter areas - but abandoned ones due to late hours where most of the people are asleep and not around - they want to see who they are attacking and make sure that that potential victim isn't armed as well. And also know that there aren't others around as well. In this paragraph I speak more in theory though, just thinking out loud of other things to take in to consideration.

One thing I think I did hear though, was that more lit areas lead to more people being out more often. And the more people are out, the more things will happen.

People tend to think of an abandoned area as an area a criminal would want to go to to feel safe. But, in order for it to be a crime there usually involves a criminal and a victim. Not many victims are in abandoned areas. But when there are, what would be the statistics for that?
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:51 am

Very good question Tothian, while I'm no detective my best guess would be to ask yourself this: Your a criminal, it don't matter what kind you just are one...what would you do under the cover of complete or semi-complete darkness? Put yourself in a criminal's shoes. You want to commit a burglary, a rape, a kidnapping, or even a murder in broad daylight for the world and particularly the Law to see? Or do you use tactics that provide the maximum amount of cover for you while doing such a dastardly deed? The answer is quite obvious. While thankfully there's no such thing an a true perfect crime, it makes sense that a criminal would want to make things as difficult for law enforcement as possible to pick up on their actions and naturally those actions would be preferred under the cover of darkness so no one knows what they are doing.

The Ninja of ancient Japan had it down perfect. Using the cover of night to perform missions in stealth, and leaving little to no trace.
And while people in fact do congregate in well lighted areas, the factor of safety in numbers come into play. Although it doesn't work all of the time, it's a good principle to follow and has been proven to be quite effective.

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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:14 pm

DarkShadow,

You do bring up good points about being effective, in a blend in with surroundings and don't get seen and noticed type deal. Here is an article that does suggest that street lights being on actually can in some studies, suggest an increase of crime.

http://darkskydiary.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/street-lights-vs-crime-redux/

I did find another link to a PDF file with some more information on this, I haven't read it yet but looking in to it a bit now. Here's the link:

http://www.celfosc.org/biblio/seguridad/atkins.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:35 am

darkness may be a preference,but crime does happen in broad daylight as well. however I'm all for more lighted up areas.cheers SCORE!
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:26 pm

True Red Vision, Darkness is the preference of the criminal element but sadly, the bold, brazen, or downright psychotic criminal do their dirty work even in the daytime as well. Wish it wasn't the truth but the facts don't lie.


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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:44 am

I agree,the more career criminal will attack anytime & worries less about being caught.
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:45 pm

RED VISION wrote:
I agree,the more career criminal will attack anytime & worries less about being caught.

This is true, and that is the most disturbing and frightening thing of all.


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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:08 pm

When it comes to Criminology, I do believe it's good to theorize the possibilities and reasons for them - in fact, that's very important too - for many reasons - some being for those gaps in which there are those potential crimes which would go unreported - less likely with a murder but possible with an egocentric person who got mugged, or someone whose house was broken in to and either doesn't trust the police for what ever their personal reason(s) is/are (*1) or they live a busy life and don't have the time to make a police report.

Theorizing is VERY good, but it is also very good to look in to statistics to see if these theories can be backed up. Also, one way of testing the patterns is by integrating that theory with other theories, and then seeing how they both contribute to each other AND contradict each other.



(*1 - In places where people trust the police, crime rates will more likely be higher than in a place where people don't trust them. So, higher crime rates don't always necessarily indicate more danger. It just means that people trust/respect the police enough to report crimes to them. Thus, leading to the police to file a report, which then adds more police reports, which then serves as an addition that leads to a higher crime rate.)
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:29 pm

This is a problem in Iqaluit Lots of areas where there are almost no lights at all

Some road have no lights except from the houses who choose to leave the lights on at night

This is a problem for kids especilly on Halloween when they are out in groups and within the heavy traffic

which is why Im out there too
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:00 pm

Polarman,

Travelling in groups is safe if they stay close to the rest of the group.

How would you say the crime statistics are near those roads with no lights?
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:38 pm

Lets see... Every so often they release some guy from jail but because he is declared a D.O. (Dangerous Offender) he is banned from ever returning to his home community The Homeless shelter only has at most 60 beds in it so most of theese guys are out wandering the streets all day and night They cant always find jobs or a place to live so in order to keep warm in the long winter they go back to crime Usually burglaries some of which end up with someone raped seriously injured or killed Iqaluit is starting to have another rise in crime but its even worse in some of the other communities where the RCMP have actually been the targets of fire arm attacks Those communities have maybe 2 cops at most one to do a patrol and one to man the station and do the role of the dispatcher This is becomming a growing problem now

A few years ago a man dressed in all black started attacking women at random by hidding in dark areas around town He gave one elderly woman a heart attack which killed her but other women had been reporting to the police after being threatened one woman was medivaced to Ottawa after having her nose and jaws shattered by this guy's hands and being punched on the breasts

They caught this guy but sadly there are others out there and it is feared that they could get even worse if something isnt done to stop this now
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:07 pm

sounds like a job,for POLARMAN!
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:50 pm

In the winter is when the property crimes such as burglaries are higher, but the violent crime rates rise in the summer.

And yes to what Red Vision said about you Polarman. It would be a good idea if you jumped in to action. Just do a research in crime statistics and take note of any patterns in times, days of weeks/month, and location.
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:59 pm

then kick some butt!lol
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of Streetlights = More Crime?   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:04 am

Of course.
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